Well, I do wish on some level that my return to blogging had a less, well, PAUL feel to it.
But the question has been asked.
How did sin enter the world?
Romans 5:12
Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
Yes Eve was deceived first, yes she was the weaker vessel. This is not an argument over the fact that Eve sinned. This is the question of who the bible says was responsible.
The FACTS are that sin entered the world through ADAM.
As Christians we are plucked out of the lineage of ADAM and placed into the lineage of Christ.
Our sinful inheritance from birth comes from ADAM.
Further: 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
I am sorry if some thought this was an argument or a debate...truly it was not! I first said, "I don't want to talk about it" and "Ask your pastor" but when pressed, felt compelled to answer. Honestly I am confused and in shock that this very basic scriptural issue is a matter of confusion or discussion and while Amy is right, it is not a salvation issue, as seasoned Christians, or basically taught Christians, this should not be a source of confusion.
According to scripture in it's fullness, sin entered the world through Adam.
I am not and was not tonight trying to argue this point.
If you have a different opinion, great.
If you do not know, go find out.
As Amy said, she will look for herself.
If you do not know where to look, I suggest you start with your pastor and then test his answer by finding it in the Word and asking the Holy Spirit which is what the bible says to do.
I guess my confusion came from my seeing that no one in the group knew the answer to this or was willing to state it if they did. I mean there is SO MUCH that I do not know. I honestly know much less than most. But this one was a shocker to me! I was remiss in not showing less surprise.
I guess I should not shown such surprise, and for that I am sorry!!!!
But surprising it was and in that moment I could not hide it.
The real point? That we are saved from sin through Christ. That the law was created purposely by God to bring forth sin to show the need for salvation and reliance upon Christ.
That is the more important issue.
Be blessed in the Truth you seek.
Sorry if anyone got upset over this. I blanket statement ask to be left out of any potentially provocative conversation. I do not like how people react to my stance or strength in stance. If I offend someone then I consider myself first in being sinful so I truly prefer to stay quiet. Though I will NOT be "Switzerland". If questioned, we must answer the questions people ask. If scripture is clear and we know the answer even if it is not a salvation issue we are called scripturally to answer. We must correct wrong teaching in love and since I may not always have that effect, I prefer to stay out of it.
So when I opt out, like I tried to, please let me! :0)
I do NOT want this post to become a debate in the comment section so please if you do comment, be sure your stance is strongly grounded in the full context of the Word.
You guys are the best! How I love you! I love how you force me into being honed, carefully considering not just what I answer but HOW I answer! I am blessed by each one of you and was SO thrilled to see you all tonight! Let us endeavor to edify and encourage. I will continue to confess and strive for this! Thank you for being my friends and sisters in Christ!
6 comments:
I think disagreement is often an avenue for growth, but I do disagree with the premise that it is clear by just those passages that only Adam is held accountable for the fall by Paul.
Paul states in 1 Timothy 2:14
"and Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
Genesis 3:6
"When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye and also desireable for gaining wisdom she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it....."
Then God came and proclaimed judgement on the woman and the man!
He then says in verse 22 "And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat and live forever. So the lord God banished him from the the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out....
Did he just drive the man out, or Eve also? Is man used as a term for them both? Did sin not enter through Eve and Adam equally? Was Adam more culpable because he had entered into the covenant of works with God and then broke that covenant? Before Eve God commanded Adam to not eat of the tree. These are all questions that I believe are not basicly cut and dry doctrine. Did Eve sin first, yes. Did Adam sin, yes. They were both judged and through Adam (and his family, ie wife and offspring) sin entered the world.
I don't claim to have all the understanding but the Bible says that God judged them both, they both sinned and through Adam (man) sinned entered the world.
It is an interesting topic, and not one that I would be shocked to get different answers by. Eve's deception by satan proves her to be the weaker vessel and bound under the male authority of the church according to Paul, however God's original design for Eve made her a helper to her mate as her original purpose. Only after sin did he place her under Adam's "rule".
Anyway all this is very interesting and worthy of dialogue. I will definitely be chatting up my pastor. Thanks for a great evening. And don't be afraid to speak, we can all learn from each other as long as we seek the truth.
Leisa
Ok, I reread your post, yes we acknowledge Eve sinned, and sin came from the lineage of Adam. Does that not also come through the lineage of Eve? Adams offspring are Eve's offspring. I guess I have just always been taught of the parental sin of Adam & Eve as a understood whole. Well enough for tonight, Talk with you soon
Again, the discussion is not whether Eve sinned or Eve was deceived first but who sin entered the world through.
Adam.
I never knew that even in later walks people still questioned whether it was Adm or Eve that sin entered the world through, I humbly stand that scripture is clear.
Through Adam, sin entered the world.
When you say "they both sinned and through Adam sin entered the world"
that is true! That is the entire point. NOT that Eve sinned, but that through Adam sin entered thw world.
I clearly believe and state that Eve was deceived, the question is who did sin enter the world through?
You stopped at 3:6! Genesis 3:7 states that after he ate it, "their eyes were opened".
God holds Adam, the head as ultimately responsible for sin entering the world.
Romans 5:19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous
1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
as by. 19 Ge 3:6
Geneva atudy Bible:
{10} Wherefore, as by {l} one man {m} sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, {n} for that all have sinned:
(10) From Adam, in whom all have sinned, both guiltiness and death (which is the punishment of the guiltiness) came upon all.
(l) By Adam, who is compared with Christ, and similar to him in this, that both of them make those who are theirs partakers of that which they have: but they are not the same in this, that Adam derives sin into them that are his, even into their very nature, and that to death: but Christ makes them that are his partakers of his righteousness by grace, and that to life.
(m) By sin is meant that disease which is ours by inheritance, and men commonly call it original sin: for so he calls that sin in the singular number, whereas if he speaks of the fruits of it, he uses the plural number, calling them sins.
(n) That is, in Adam.
Oh well, thank goodness for JESUS!!!
and for great discussions like this. Which I personally love but surely do not want to make Tif throw up! Lol
You are righ! Disagreement is a matter for growth and before anyone tells you that we shouldn't be discussing it (2 Timothy 2:23
Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
2 Timothy 2:22-24 (in Context) 2 Timothy 2 (Whole Chapter)
Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.)
That does not include profitable discussion!
Good for us for taking a stand!
Woohoo!
You are correct, I spoke with my mom who led a Genesis precepts last year, and Adam is the male headship and thus accountable for his and Eve's sin
All sin came through one man and through one man sin is abolished.
Great learning topic
L
Trust me when I say, I am RARELY correct but the BIBLE always is!!!
Glad you found the Truth!
I checked with my pastor as well and he states Romans 5 and discourses humbly and humorously on the fact that sin entered the world through Adam.
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